Curse

dansamy · Nov 08, 2010, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

There's undercutting the market and then there's selling 2 fourth year whites and a fourth year purple for a total of 12k.

I probably would have done that. Storage space is at a premium. Although, I might would have asked for zkeys since I need only 30 more for r3 Zaishen for one more statue towards my next breakpoint of 5 statues.

carnage-runner · Nov 08, 2010, 10:44 PM // 22:44

I lie all the time. Tell people my stuff is super super rare and impossible to find. The problem is I'm lying to people who live on guru as well so it tends to fail epic.

Moral of the story.

It's a game, do what you have to to enjoy it. If your enjoyment is at someone else' expense then that's the nature of the beast. Educate yourself and you won't get caught with your pants down.

P.S. I don't lie, my morals are too insecure.

nem coke · Nov 09, 2010, 09:05 AM // 09:05

No I don't lie, when I used to power trade I didn't lie either. I keep trades simple, like:

Buyer: How much for your item.
Me: <price>
Buyer: Yes/ No thanks. -> trade successful/not successful

OR

Buyer ( in the last line) : Can I / Would you / Will you / Can we / Want to / Please I need moneyz/ and whatnot else -> Trade unsuccessful.

You might think I'm being an ass for being so crude, but I'm usually selling items under price so I'm pretty sure that these means of trade are fair.

And yea, I guess I'm an ass when power trading

ange misericordieux · Nov 09, 2010, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Only naabs try to lie for sell/buy items

DonCorleoneCS · Nov 09, 2010, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Negative. I've bought under 10 items cheaper than their value with the idea of resale. I usually felt bad afterwards anyway. I tend to tell people the actual value even if I want it...

carnage-runner · Nov 09, 2010, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by DonCorleoneCS

Negative. I've bought under 10 items cheaper than their value with the idea of resale. I usually felt bad afterwards anyway. I tend to tell people the actual value even if I want it...

I hope you are including that Jitte...

jon comgree · Nov 10, 2010, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Well, way I see it is that if someone is as they say "uninformed" I will gladly take it, say someone is selling ectos for 4k a piece, I will buy them and not inform them of their misfortune for its your fault for not knowing the price.

tghoodoo · Nov 10, 2010, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by jon comgree

Well, way I see it is that if someone is as they say "uninformed" I will gladly take it, say someone is selling ectos for 4k a piece, I will buy them and not inform them of their misfortune for its your fault for not knowing the price.

exactly. now if they ask how much they are worth i would tell them my idea and then point them in the direction on finding out on their own (ie. ectos- rare mat trader. if a shield then guru most likely). But i would not lie about the price, or force the sale. that is just wrong. someone offered me 1250e for my EL trapdoor because i told him i didn't want to sell it. Now this to me falls under the saying of "an item is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay" the guy obviously knew he was over spending (don't believe that... well after i declined his 1000e offer he jumped up 1 full stack. i assume he was quitting and needed that last tonic for his collection. i dunno though)

So what i'm tryina say is... U don't need to lie to make good money. U just gotta keep yur eyes open and wait. i've got items i'm not gunna sell until i find someone that is looking for that item.

Gennadios · Nov 10, 2010, 04:50 AM // 04:50

A few days after the HoM release, I bought an unded White Rabbit, Freezie, and Cloudtouched Simian from one person for roughly 60k.

It was only a few days after I came out of retirement and I wasn't sure about the prices myself, but I was fairly sure I was underpaying.

Didn't ask the seller any questions though, I had a Monument of Devotion to fill out, and the seller was wearing black dyed Vabbian, so I assumed they knew what they were doing.

obastable · Nov 10, 2010, 02:09 PM // 14:09

To answer the OP: No.

If I see someone selling for way below the items perceived value I'll tell them (whether I want the item or not).

Taking advantage of ignorance is what it is, be it in game or in every day life.

Sometimes people take the advice & raise their prices, and others are just trying to unload the item and get back to playing. When it comes to the latter the person is offering a deal, and being a woman who likes to shop I'm all about finding a good sale.

animal fighter · Nov 10, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by obastable

Taking advantage of ignorance is what it is, be it in game or in every day life.

well when I'm about to sell an item, I research it thoroughly on guru, often searching through many different threads to find out its price. if the seller does not want to take the time to do that, then it's their loss, not mine.

there's even a price check forum for that sort of thing. and ignorance isn't the only reason people might be selling something cheap. often times people (including myself) will sell things below value, for a quick trade.

if you think you have an item that's worth quite a bit, and don't know its true value, then you're selling the item for a price that you want for it.

example: get a req9 obsidian edge in FoW and instantly go to kamadan looking for 20e for it, not knowing what its true value is, just knowing that it's a good drop. then that's entirely your own fault for not doing proper research on your drop. even asking "PC q9 obsidian edge" in kamadan will net you several price checks.

as for lying during trading: I won't outright lie, omitting information or being too broad maybe. 'it very nice itemer u buy?' I'm trying to sell this triple mod focus as we speak, but anyone who asks if it will stay in the game I just say no.

obastable · Nov 10, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by animal fighter

well when I'm about to sell an item, I research it thoroughly on guru, often searching through many different threads to find out its price. if the seller does not want to take the time to do that, then it's their loss, not mine.

there's even a price check forum for that sort of thing. and ignorance isn't the only reason people might be selling something cheap. often times people (including myself) will sell things below value, for a quick trade.

Indeed. These are what I refer to as being on "sale" and I do it myself quite often because I hate sitting in trade spam to sell something.

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example: get a req9 obsidian edge in FoW and instantly go to kamadan looking for 20e for it, not knowing what its true value is, just knowing that it's a good drop. then that's entirely your own fault for not doing proper research on your drop. even asking "PC q9 obsidian edge" in kamadan will net you several price checks.

Unfortunately you're example is flawed, because players (read: people) are flawed. A lot of people DO ask for pc's in game & plenty of the responses they get are erroneous to the point of trying to humiliate the other player. Feel free to test this out with various items of various values. I do this irregularly because of what happened to a friend, and anyone who significantly under prices an item & asks to buy it at that price goes on my perma ignore list.

A large percentage of gamers don't even use fan sites. If memory serves the numbers for & against are about the same. I would consider this a moderately valid argument, though, if Anet actually ran and/or advertised fan sites in the game or in the packaging. Anet supports the in-game economy to a minimal extent, and does not support it outside of the game at all. This is what people are taking advantage of when they choose to lie, cheat, deceive, or not be forthright with information. <-- This is where I lay the blame, NOT on some random player who didn't know (through no fault of their own) about whichever price check forum on whichever fan site Google decided to pop up on a search.

animal fighter · Nov 11, 2010, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by obastable

stuff

well I sorta agree to an extent, but I always try to PC accurately here on guru and in kamadan when I see people asking for help. I know not all people have a reliable source to get an accurate PC from, but everyone has trades where they sold something for way below the items value without knowing it.

I know I have in the past, and I know for sure every trader has trades that they regret. But hey, it's part of the game. The players with the knowledge of prices usually have large amounts of money because of it. I've merched some stuff back in the day that would be 50e+ now. That was my own fault for not knowing.

Learn from mistakes, etc.

Tommy's · Nov 11, 2010, 09:44 AM // 09:44

No I don't ever tell lies to people to improve my profit from a trade. In fact, if someone sells something for like 5k while its worth 40e I tend to give him 20e or something, just so I can live a bit more with myself, and he is very happy aswell (at least for a while). But I guess thats why I'm not so rich. But I can still live with myself.

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

It's a game, do what you have to to enjoy it. If your enjoyment is at someone else' expense then that's the nature of the beast. Educate yourself and you won't get caught with your pants down.

I'm very sory to hear this. Appearantly you don't understand that there are people that can't get great education for some reason, aren't born with the brains someone else has and have alot of dificulties to learn things. We should take care of those people and try to teach them, instead of exploiting them. And perhabs your education about the nature of the beast isn't so great by itself, as there is a big difference between fun and survival. Besides that alot of animals don't have a 'I must eat, so screw you' attitude.

makosi · Nov 11, 2010, 08:20 PM // 20:20

I don't lie and I also tell random people if they're selling too low. Darwinism is cruel, yet natural and outwith our countrol. Social Darwinism is also cruel but is unnatural and within our control.

Kamadan ad1 is full of vultures waiting to dive down and scoop up some less informed people. You can say what you want to try and justify to yourself and other greed-driven immorals, but you're only taking comfort in affirmation.

Trust that gut feeling you get.

Roen · Nov 11, 2010, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by makosi

Trust that gut feeling you get.

The problem is I don't think sociopaths get that gut feeling.

DonCorleoneCS · Nov 11, 2010, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

I hope you are including that Jitte...

Sirenia bought it for me

Karate Jesus · Nov 11, 2010, 10:56 PM // 22:56

I'm a sucker. I always try to give/receive fair prices, even at my own expense.

Needless to say, I get ripped off a lot :/

Midget Minionmaster · Nov 28, 2010, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Ive had my fair history of getting scammed and it happens a lot in MMO's. I wont go to the extent of a MEGA scam, but if someone is selling a bone dragon when they were worth 100k, for 16k, ill buy it!(true story)

Bright Star Shine · Nov 29, 2010, 12:01 AM // 00:01

I don't lie either...
Same thing as the others: if someone sells something WAY below price, I'll surely buy it, and most likely not inform them on their loss, but I wouldn't try to lie to people to get rid of some stuff of mine, just cause I wanna make some profit or something, that's weak (yes, I'm directly referring to you, you arab -the guy I'm talking about will know, if he ever reads this

-).
I also never lie bout wanting to resell an item.. If someone sells something, and I ask c/o and it's too high, I always literally say: "No sorry, no profit in that." and I notice that people prefer that, they always tend to not be pissed or think that I'm wasting their time when I do so, and always reply friendly

.
How cliché it might sound, people will like you more when you're completely honest with them (my gf likes my 100% honesty on every aspect of life sometimes, but she can be really frustrated other times

) and they will be friendly(ier) when you are, even when you just literally said to them that you wanted to resell their item for your own gain

...